I recently discovered two powerful cases providing further scientific evidence for near death experiences/out of body experiences. One of them reported by Dr. Norma Bowe from Kean University. The patient suffered an extreme case of OCD, which led her to having a counting problem. What is remarkable about this case is she saw a 12 digit serial number where the only way to see the serial number would be if you had a ladder in order to see it from a standing position .
As it would be impossible to read the 12 digit serial number from just a standing position. More can be found here, just scroll down the page to just about the bottom of the page.
https://atheism-demolished.blogspot.com/2016/01/refuting-nde-debunkers.html
https://www.npr.org/books/titles/263101025/the-death-class-a-true-story-about-life#excerpt
The second case is from an anesthesiologist Christopher Yerington.
https://www.quora.com/As-an-anesthesiologist-what-has-been-your-strangest-experience-while-trying-to-put-someone-under/answer/Christopher-Yerington
Showing posts with label out of body experience. Show all posts
Showing posts with label out of body experience. Show all posts
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Wednesday, September 26, 2012
Ad Hoc Excuse?
I seen today a older forum post by a skeptic who says that its an ad hoc excuse to say that patients who have had a out of body experience would not be able to see the signs from near the ceiling because there attention would be on their body and the people around them. He also says that if we don't get the results we want (else believers) from the aware study we will just make up endless ad hoc excuses. However, me along with others see it as a legitimate problem one that has been taken into account.
Monday, June 21, 2010
An honest Atheist/Materialist when looking at the evidence for Near Death Experiences and Out of Body Experiences/Reincarnation evidence
An open minded skeptic who admits there is compelling evidence from nde/obe and reincarnation evidence that probably points towards an afterlife.
Monday, April 14, 2008
Another interesting out of body perception case
Here's another interesting case I got this from the book called The Psychic Casebook- Real Encounters With The Paranormal By Craig Hamilton Parker I thought it was important to share it all with you here.
It's about a woman named Elizabeth Hyde after a severe asthma attack she was rushed to the hospital.
I vaguely recall waking in an oxygen tent and a lot of fuss going on around me. I don't know at what point I drifted out of my body, but I do know know that my heart stopped and I was rushed to the Resuscitation Ward. I could see myself attached to the ventilator with lots of wires connected to me. I could see a doctor, two nurses and bizaree sight of a man dresses in a bow tie and full evening suit.
Elizabeth then went into cardiac arrest, but witnesses the unfolding scene from outside her body.
I saw them all trying to restart my heart. I was in pain and felt no difficulty with my breathing. I was an onlooker, so to speak, watching myself in the hospital bed.
We had no telephone at home and I saw the police bring my husband to the hospital. Is there any hope? I heard him say. 'very little,' replied the man in the evening suit. That was the only moment I felt unhappy.
I felt myself falling down a tunnel and saw my life flash before me like a rapid series of camera pictures. Suddenly I was standing and feeling wonderful with a sense of lightness and happiness, and I knew that I was surrounded by a great love. Added to this was a feeling of tranquillity. I felt so well it was wonderful!
I then found myself standing to one side of a small arched bridge. There were people singing, not hymns but a lovely song of joy. There were colours such as I have never seen. I wanted to join them, but thoughts of my husband stopped me. There were also things that I still wanted to do in life., such as have a baby- but it was so very, very tempting to cross.
Standing on the bridge was a Jewish man holding a cross. He 'spoke' to me telepathically and asked, 'Are you ready to cross?'. I recall saying, 'No, No, No!' and then immediately returned to my body. I could now hear conversations going on around me in hte hospital. She slipping away,' they said. But I knew that I would live and started fighting the ventilator to prove that I could breathe by myself. 'Why can't these people see I'm not going to die>'
After four days Elizabeth was detached from the ventilator, transferred to a recovery ward and gradually got well.
The man who previously wore the evening suit when I was in a coma was now in a doctor's white coat as he walked into the ward. I asked the nurse about him. 'He's the surgeon who performed a tracheotomy operation on you to try and save your life,' said the nurse. ' I Know.' I replied, ' but why was he wearing a bow tie and evening suit?' The nurse was dumbstruck and then explained that they had to call him from a very dinner engagement!
I did have a child- a son, Simon, who is now 27. The previous year I had lost a baby, but I know he lives on and one day I will see him. I know I am lucky to have had such a wonderful experience.
Simon describes the impact Elizabeth's experience has had on the family:
Perhaps psychic gifts run in our family. Mum and I will try to call each other at exactly the same time. I know that Mum's experience helped her when the Dad died., as she is now convinced that there's an afterlife. As for me, I used to regularly see his spirit walk in my room when I was a little boy.
Skeptics will of course say that it is all an hallunication, but how could she have possibly have known that her surgeon was wearing a bow tie and evening suit? She was in a coma and having a tracheotomy performed. Elizabeth also knew that is was the police that brought her husband to the hospital, as she overheard the conversation, and also knew the doctor and two nurses tried to resuscitate her heart.
It's about a woman named Elizabeth Hyde after a severe asthma attack she was rushed to the hospital.
I vaguely recall waking in an oxygen tent and a lot of fuss going on around me. I don't know at what point I drifted out of my body, but I do know know that my heart stopped and I was rushed to the Resuscitation Ward. I could see myself attached to the ventilator with lots of wires connected to me. I could see a doctor, two nurses and bizaree sight of a man dresses in a bow tie and full evening suit.
Elizabeth then went into cardiac arrest, but witnesses the unfolding scene from outside her body.
I saw them all trying to restart my heart. I was in pain and felt no difficulty with my breathing. I was an onlooker, so to speak, watching myself in the hospital bed.
We had no telephone at home and I saw the police bring my husband to the hospital. Is there any hope? I heard him say. 'very little,' replied the man in the evening suit. That was the only moment I felt unhappy.
I felt myself falling down a tunnel and saw my life flash before me like a rapid series of camera pictures. Suddenly I was standing and feeling wonderful with a sense of lightness and happiness, and I knew that I was surrounded by a great love. Added to this was a feeling of tranquillity. I felt so well it was wonderful!
I then found myself standing to one side of a small arched bridge. There were people singing, not hymns but a lovely song of joy. There were colours such as I have never seen. I wanted to join them, but thoughts of my husband stopped me. There were also things that I still wanted to do in life., such as have a baby- but it was so very, very tempting to cross.
Standing on the bridge was a Jewish man holding a cross. He 'spoke' to me telepathically and asked, 'Are you ready to cross?'. I recall saying, 'No, No, No!' and then immediately returned to my body. I could now hear conversations going on around me in hte hospital. She slipping away,' they said. But I knew that I would live and started fighting the ventilator to prove that I could breathe by myself. 'Why can't these people see I'm not going to die>'
After four days Elizabeth was detached from the ventilator, transferred to a recovery ward and gradually got well.
The man who previously wore the evening suit when I was in a coma was now in a doctor's white coat as he walked into the ward. I asked the nurse about him. 'He's the surgeon who performed a tracheotomy operation on you to try and save your life,' said the nurse. ' I Know.' I replied, ' but why was he wearing a bow tie and evening suit?' The nurse was dumbstruck and then explained that they had to call him from a very dinner engagement!
I did have a child- a son, Simon, who is now 27. The previous year I had lost a baby, but I know he lives on and one day I will see him. I know I am lucky to have had such a wonderful experience.
Simon describes the impact Elizabeth's experience has had on the family:
Perhaps psychic gifts run in our family. Mum and I will try to call each other at exactly the same time. I know that Mum's experience helped her when the Dad died., as she is now convinced that there's an afterlife. As for me, I used to regularly see his spirit walk in my room when I was a little boy.
Skeptics will of course say that it is all an hallunication, but how could she have possibly have known that her surgeon was wearing a bow tie and evening suit? She was in a coma and having a tracheotomy performed. Elizabeth also knew that is was the police that brought her husband to the hospital, as she overheard the conversation, and also knew the doctor and two nurses tried to resuscitate her heart.
Wednesday, March 26, 2008
Why Rem Intrusion study do not explain near death experiences
During the past few years the worldwide press has seen a virtual explosion of headlines claiming that a condition called “REM intrusion” explains near-death experiences. The media’s excitement makes it sound like a final solution. However, the people who really know NDEs say, “Not so fast.”
REM intrusion is a condition that occurs when some characteristics of the common REM sleep state—such as rapid eye movement, low muscle tone, and dreaming—activate during wakefulness. Without question, there are marked similarities between REM intrusion and NDEs, just as there are similarities with other much-hyped earlier comparisons such as temporal lobe epilepsy, oxygen deprivation, and the effects of some drugs. However, once again, what the world’s media overlooked in presenting the REM findings are their marked differences.
* NDE research years ago firmly established clear distinctions between NDEs and hallucinations; NDErs who had also experienced REM intrusion were not asked to compare the two.
* REM intrusion does not explain key NDE elements such as veridical perception, lasting aftereffects, and visual perception in the blind
* REM intrusion experiencers immediately recognize that their visual and auditory experiences are not reality-based, whereas NDErs describe theirs as “realer than real.”
* Although the published study concludes that a higher rate of REM intrusion predisposes a person to NDEs, the NDErs weren’t asked when the intrusions occurred; so, it is just as likely that they occur as a result of an NDE. Further, 40% of the NDErs said they had never had REM intrusions at all.
The full rebuttal can be found here
http://www.nderf.org/longholdenremintrusion.pdf
REM intrusion is a condition that occurs when some characteristics of the common REM sleep state—such as rapid eye movement, low muscle tone, and dreaming—activate during wakefulness. Without question, there are marked similarities between REM intrusion and NDEs, just as there are similarities with other much-hyped earlier comparisons such as temporal lobe epilepsy, oxygen deprivation, and the effects of some drugs. However, once again, what the world’s media overlooked in presenting the REM findings are their marked differences.
* NDE research years ago firmly established clear distinctions between NDEs and hallucinations; NDErs who had also experienced REM intrusion were not asked to compare the two.
* REM intrusion does not explain key NDE elements such as veridical perception, lasting aftereffects, and visual perception in the blind
* REM intrusion experiencers immediately recognize that their visual and auditory experiences are not reality-based, whereas NDErs describe theirs as “realer than real.”
* Although the published study concludes that a higher rate of REM intrusion predisposes a person to NDEs, the NDErs weren’t asked when the intrusions occurred; so, it is just as likely that they occur as a result of an NDE. Further, 40% of the NDErs said they had never had REM intrusions at all.
The full rebuttal can be found here
http://www.nderf.org/longholdenremintrusion.pdf
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